Mixing darts

Kermit · 04-07-2009, 07:53 PM

Hey i read that you arnt supposed to mix different darts togther and that they can only be males. I wanted to know how you guys feel on this and if you have had expirance?

Leuc Skywalker · 04-07-2009, 09:53 PM

If you were to ask this question on some sites you'd get your head ripped off. But in my opinion, it depends. I would not mix species that were able to interbreed. ie don't mix leucs and auratus or azurs and tincs, or any of the intermedius gorup. Now, with that being said I have kept tincs and vents together in a 110 gal x high. There were 4 tincs and 7 vents. Both species bred and lived happy together. The tincs stayed on the floor, and the vents climbed all over the back wall. I monitored them closely, and there were no signs of stress in any of the frogs. Some folks may disagree, but thats my take.

Knoxter · 04-07-2009, 10:02 PM

The practice of mixing darts for breeding purposes is def a big "no-no". I believe mixing different species causes unnecessary stress on the frogs. And as far as mixing morphs, there is already enough confusion in the hobby. Not a good idea in my opinion.

Let me back up. Why are you asking this question? Do you not have enough space and want to keep more than one species? Or do you want to have a large show tank like the ones you see at zoos and aquariums?

I guess I am asking, because it matters why you want to mix them.
BTW-No tounge lashing here, just want to make sure I answer your question correctly.

Marc

Kermit · 04-08-2009, 02:29 PM

The reason for me asking is becouse people told me when I got my bumble bees that I can't keep them together if they were females. They said they will fight to much and ur not suposed to keep females with each other. As for mixing the darts I have seen a lot of people who mix them just curious.

Knoxter · 04-08-2009, 02:41 PM

You have to keep an eye on them. If you see any aggressive behavior you have to separate them immediately. Another factor is the size of your tank. If there is sufficient space, there should be no problems. A big help is to put up visual barriers. You can use driftwood to create the visual barriers, as well as depth to the tank. I have kept a group of 5 leucs 2.3.0 in a 40 breeder with no problems. Just a few nice sized pcs of driftwood on the floor, plenty of pathos, and leaf litter. I hope this helps.

Marc

Socalsam · 04-08-2009, 09:37 PM

Ya females will fight with each other resulting in death of one of the frogs. You can house 2 males and 1 female depending on species.I am not sure what the ratio of males to females is with Leucs but you may need to buy more.You might end up having 3 females or 3 males. All you have to do is keep a watchful eye on your frogs and if you notice and fighting or wrestling you might have 2 females. Males also wrestle but not consistantly like 2 females would.

Knoxter · 04-09-2009, 12:19 AM

I've heard many people say the females would fight, and I have read that as well. It's just that in my experience, my females never faught. I just made sure everyone had plenty of space. 5 frogs in a 40 gal breeder gave them lots of space.

BTW-Welcome to the site Socalsam. Glad to see you chiming in.

socaled · 04-09-2009, 01:10 AM

Actually in some other forums you'll get bad rep for doing this that's actually why I think I'm going to stay here because I hope people don't bash on you for what you want to do. To answer the question I have a couple of friends that actually have thumbnails and Tinc in the same exo-terra and you know what both the species are actually breeding. It's a 18X18x24 and it's been up for 3 years and going strong. If you have two different types of species like the ones mentioned you should be fine. And your in riverside huh well good luck neighbor I'm actually in Temecula...

-Angeles

atlfrog · 04-17-2009, 02:34 AM

I have to be honest, I completely agree that all species of frogs should be separate due to several reasons. I will only explain a few and leave it at that. One, the preservation of the frogs as an individual species is more important to me than making hybrid frogs. Each amphibian is special and I keep them separate because I want to admire them for what they are. And the last thing is this, different species of frogs has different attitudes towards other males and females, some sexually mature faster, some grown faster and bigger than others and if you have them mixed you might have just caused yourself to loose a bunch of frogs due to the lack of food one may get or even worse a frog got pissed off and killed his opponent (which could have been a frog that has a very non boisterous temperament). Competition of food can be hard for a smaller frog, comparison Terribilis to a Vent.

The other issue of getting bad rep points, and banned is all ridiculous as these are public forums. Yes they have rules but most of this stuff is based on our opinions, facts and knowledge. As long as we are respectful there is no need for all the rest of the BS.

socaled · 04-17-2009, 02:55 AM

That's true and I commend you GAFROGS for keeping frog species seperate the only reason why I point out that its okay because it's not like a crime to mix different species. I completely agree that species should be seperate but if people look at the answer closely it's just asking if it's okay for different frogs to coexist and complete honesty should be given with one's experience. To make this short I can't get mad at someone buying a Ferrari and then swapping the engine for a ford Mustang (No offense to mustang drivers). It's people's decisions to make... So to answer the question it's okay but highly I mean high as a kite not recommended to mix frogs.....

-Angeles

04-07-2009, 07:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kermit Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Riverside California Posts: 43	Mixing darts Hey i read that you arnt supposed to mix different darts togther and that they can only be males. I wanted to know how you guys feel on this and if you have had expirance?

04-07-2009, 09:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Leuc Skywalker Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 42	If you were to ask this question on some sites you'd get your head ripped off. But in my opinion, it depends. I would not mix species that were able to interbreed. ie don't mix leucs and auratus or azurs and tincs, or any of the intermedius gorup. Now, with that being said I have kept tincs and vents together in a 110 gal x high. There were 4 tincs and 7 vents. Both species bred and lived happy together. The tincs stayed on the floor, and the vents climbed all over the back wall. I monitored them closely, and there were no signs of stress in any of the frogs. Some folks may disagree, but thats my take. __________________ "I am your father!" 1.0.2 Luecs (Someone's calling)

04-07-2009, 10:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Knoxter Administrator/SiteOwner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 430 Real Name: Marc Knox	The practice of mixing darts for breeding purposes is def a big "no-no". I believe mixing different species causes unnecessary stress on the frogs. And as far as mixing morphs, there is already enough confusion in the hobby. Not a good idea in my opinion. Let me back up. Why are you asking this question? Do you not have enough space and want to keep more than one species? Or do you want to have a large show tank like the ones you see at zoos and aquariums? I guess I am asking, because it matters why you want to mix them. BTW-No tounge lashing here, just want to make sure I answer your question correctly. Marc __________________ Marc My frogs- Vanzolini, El Dorado (ong&gold), Cayo de Agua, Almerante, Gold Dust, Yuris, Imis, Inters, Taras, O Lamasi, Iquitos Vents, Varis, SI. I appreciate everyone here. Without you, there would be no DFF. Thank you for your support.

04-08-2009, 02:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Knoxter Administrator/SiteOwner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 430 Real Name: Marc Knox	You have to keep an eye on them. If you see any aggressive behavior you have to separate them immediately. Another factor is the size of your tank. If there is sufficient space, there should be no problems. A big help is to put up visual barriers. You can use driftwood to create the visual barriers, as well as depth to the tank. I have kept a group of 5 leucs 2.3.0 in a 40 breeder with no problems. Just a few nice sized pcs of driftwood on the floor, plenty of pathos, and leaf litter. I hope this helps. Marc __________________ Marc My frogs- Vanzolini, El Dorado (ong&gold), Cayo de Agua, Almerante, Gold Dust, Yuris, Imis, Inters, Taras, O Lamasi, Iquitos Vents, Varis, SI. I appreciate everyone here. Without you, there would be no DFF. Thank you for your support.

04-09-2009, 12:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
Knoxter Administrator/SiteOwner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 430 Real Name: Marc Knox	I've heard many people say the females would fight, and I have read that as well. It's just that in my experience, my females never faught. I just made sure everyone had plenty of space. 5 frogs in a 40 gal breeder gave them lots of space. BTW-Welcome to the site Socalsam. Glad to see you chiming in. __________________ Marc My frogs- Vanzolini, El Dorado (ong&gold), Cayo de Agua, Almerante, Gold Dust, Yuris, Imis, Inters, Taras, O Lamasi, Iquitos Vents, Varis, SI. I appreciate everyone here. Without you, there would be no DFF. Thank you for your support.

04-08-2009, 02:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kermit Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Riverside California Posts: 43	The reason for me asking is becouse people told me when I got my bumble bees that I can't keep them together if they were females. They said they will fight to much and ur not suposed to keep females with each other. As for mixing the darts I have seen a lot of people who mix them just curious.

04-08-2009, 09:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Socalsam Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Murrieta, Ca Posts: 431 Real Name: Sam Cavoulas	Ya females will fight with each other resulting in death of one of the frogs. You can house 2 males and 1 female depending on species.I am not sure what the ratio of males to females is with Leucs but you may need to buy more.You might end up having 3 females or 3 males. All you have to do is keep a watchful eye on your frogs and if you notice and fighting or wrestling you might have 2 females. Males also wrestle but not consistantly like 2 females would.

04-09-2009, 01:10 AM	#8 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	okay Actually in some other forums you'll get bad rep for doing this that's actually why I think I'm going to stay here because I hope people don't bash on you for what you want to do. To answer the question I have a couple of friends that actually have thumbnails and Tinc in the same exo-terra and you know what both the species are actually breeding. It's a 18X18x24 and it's been up for 3 years and going strong. If you have two different types of species like the ones mentioned you should be fine. And your in riverside huh well good luck neighbor I'm actually in Temecula... -Angeles

04-17-2009, 02:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
atlfrog Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ATL, GA, USA Posts: 396 Real Name: Matthew "Merek" Preferred.	I have to be honest, I completely agree that all species of frogs should be separate due to several reasons. I will only explain a few and leave it at that. One, the preservation of the frogs as an individual species is more important to me than making hybrid frogs. Each amphibian is special and I keep them separate because I want to admire them for what they are. And the last thing is this, different species of frogs has different attitudes towards other males and females, some sexually mature faster, some grown faster and bigger than others and if you have them mixed you might have just caused yourself to loose a bunch of frogs due to the lack of food one may get or even worse a frog got pissed off and killed his opponent (which could have been a frog that has a very non boisterous temperament). Competition of food can be hard for a smaller frog, comparison Terribilis to a Vent. The other issue of getting bad rep points, and banned is all ridiculous as these are public forums. Yes they have rules but most of this stuff is based on our opinions, facts and knowledge. As long as we are respectful there is no need for all the rest of the BS. __________________ Merek Matthew Cardew :: ATLFROG.com HTTP://www.blogtalkradio.com/reptilian-fish

04-17-2009, 02:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	That's true and I commend you GAFROGS for keeping frog species seperate the only reason why I point out that its okay because it's not like a crime to mix different species. I completely agree that species should be seperate but if people look at the answer closely it's just asking if it's okay for different frogs to coexist and complete honesty should be given with one's experience. To make this short I can't get mad at someone buying a Ferrari and then swapping the engine for a ford Mustang (No offense to mustang drivers). It's people's decisions to make... So to answer the question it's okay but highly I mean high as a kite not recommended to mix frogs..... -Angeles

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