[Knoxter]

Hi Groki 21,

Before I make any suggestions, I want to make sure I am clear on your tank dimensions. Does yours Exo have a 18x24 footprint or a 18x18 floorprint? IMO, that's a big difference. Although leucs often climb, they prefer the floor with leaf litter. I have kept the same group of 6 leucs in a 30 gal breeder (18x36 footprint) and they never climb. 3 Leucs in a 18x18 footpriint is a good number. I think it would be ok to add 2 or 3 more (for a group of 5 or 6) the most if you have a 18x24 footprint.

Regarding adding a few auratus to your leuc tank......I would say be careful of the "you might get some cool crosses" suggestion. Depends on what "floats your boat." Do a few searches on the web for "dart frog hybridization" and you'll see why. Qwick story, I once had a friend say to me "hey, that's a cool looking pitbull, I wonder what it would like if it was mixed with a rottie"... eventually he mixed his pitt with a rottie, and sold the "one" cool looking puppy, but he had to give away the rest of the litter, because no one wanted to buy the other six, less than attractive pups. Who am I to judge if what he did was right or wrong. Derive your own conclusion. I will never tell anyone what to do with their own frogs, but I will say ignorance is a dart frog owners worst enemy. I am glad to see that you are taking time to educate yourself. While it's a good idea to ask experienced hobbyist their opinion, I would also recommend you pick up a few books, read a few threads, and derive your own opinion....be the source of your own knowledge.

Whatever you decide, good luck!...Please be sure to let us know what you decide and keep us informed of how it works out. Maybe post a few pics of your frogs and their tanks.

[Rich Frye]

Originally Posted by quaz

Rich, I don't understand what you mean? I was giving my answer to groki21's question.

You don't understand what a troll is? Look it up.
Nobody asked about mixing species. Nobody cares to.

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Originally Posted by Kermit

so when I get more how do i mack sure there male? and also where i can get them?

The first thing to do is to read a lot more. Nobody really seems to enjoy hearing it, but you'll cover much more ground doing a bunch of reading and searches. Pretty much any question you have has already been asked and answered before. And if not, there is a thread close you can simply add to...
The next thing to do is find out what ratio you really have, and a year old may be a bit too young to know for sure. After you hear calling you will probably notice breeding activity within a few months after the male calls. Females mature slower than males. If you don't hear calling at all you may have three females.
Sex them and then figure out if you even need another in the mix. If it (new add) is a male there is very little chance of it not getting along. Just observe them for awhile to make sure.
And make sure you quarantine any new frogs before you put them in-viv. Ignore the trolls suggesting you mix locals, colors, or 'morphs'. Stick to pure breeding.

[Kermit]

Im not mixing them i just want more leucs I have heard one of my calling before but only one time. and the floor plan of my exo terra is 18in 18in and 24in tall.

[jellyman]

Originally Posted by Kermit

Im not mixing them i just want more leucs I have heard one of my calling before but only one time. and the floor plan of my exo terra is 18in 18in and 24in tall.

I do not think it would be viable to keep 6-9 frogs in a 18" x 18' floor plan. If you had a larger enclosure I would suggest removing the current frogs, place them in a tempory enclosure, put the new leucs in the current enclosure for a few weeks, and then introduce the original frogs into the enclosure with the new frogs. Also, try to find frogs of approximate size.

[Rich Frye]

Originally Posted by Kermit

Im not mixing them i just want more leucs I have heard one of my calling before but only one time. and the floor plan of my exo terra is 18in 18in and 24in tall.

Glad to hear you are not mixing them. Didn't read that you thought you would .
I'd still wait and see what ratio you have. If you really wanted to add another male you could. But three leucs may be just fine for that viv.

Rich

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Originally Posted by jellyman

I do not think it would be viable to keep 6-9 frogs in a 18" x 18' floor plan.

I don't think Kermit or anyone had suggested that.

Originally Posted by jellyman

If you had a larger enclosure I would suggest removing the current frogs, place them in a tempory enclosure, put the new leucs in the current enclosure for a few weeks, and then introduce the original frogs into the enclosure with the new frogs. Also, try to find frogs of approximate size.

Well, here is where you would run into potential danger with this move. QUARANTINE...

When anybody gets new frogs from anybody they should quarantine them. Every time.
If you place new frogs into a new viv (for them) and they are diseased, this disease has now infected the viv.
When you place the old inhabitants in with the new frogs you have now infected not only the viv , but all inhabitants.
So...quarantine the new comers in a container you do not mind totally taking apart if you find you need to treat your frogs for disease of any sort. Do not place the untested right into a beautiful new viv.

I thought this had been gone over many times before Jelly. I could be wrong I guess...

[jellyman]

Originally Posted by Rich Frye

Glad to hear you are not mixing them. Didn't read that you thought you would .
I'd still wait and see what ratio you have. If you really wanted to add another male you could. But three leucs may be just fine for that viv.

Rich

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I don't think Kermit or anyone had suggested that.




Well, here is where you would run into potential danger with this move. QUARANTINE...

When anybody gets new frogs from anybody they should quarantine them. Every time.
If you place new frogs into a new viv (for them) and they are diseased, this disease has now infected the viv.
When you place the old inhabitants in with the new frogs you have now infected not only the viv , but all inhabitants.
So...quarantine the new comers in a container you do not mind totally taking apart if you find you need to treat your frogs for disease of any sort. Do not place the untested right into a beautiful new viv.

I thought this had been gone over many times before Jelly. I could be wrong I guess...

Rich is absolutely correct. One should never assume an owner will quarantine their frogs but should realize that most of the time owners choose not to or simply do not know that they should. Anyhow, the steps I listed were not intended for it to be done before the frogs passed any health checks they were for the purpose of helping eliminate/reduce any potential aggression issues that would arise from adding new frogs.

And you may want to reread the title of the post:
"Large Groups-6-9" and he owns an exo terra with a 18"x18" floor plan.

[Kermit]

Im taking in all the advice im only planing on having 5 is that to many still for the 18x18x exo. also i have a pic up in the gallary please look at my viv is that enough veg to have 5 if or 4. im defenitly going to QUARANTINE if you all think its ok with my viv.

[quaz]

Troll "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, video hosting site, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.["

Thanks Rich, but no. If I've irked a particularly inflamed nerve, I apologize... not my intention at all. And no, I didn't not say anything about mixing species. Just mixing morphs of species. goki21 asked what type of frog. I've seen some nice vivs with different types of phyllobates and they look real nice.

I hope you don't get too upset with me posting things that cross your perfect way of keeping frogs and maybe if members are not flamed too much they too can enjoy a vivarium with several healthy frogs with different patterns and colors.

Best.

[Rich Frye]

Originally Posted by quaz

Troll "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, video hosting site, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.["

Thanks Rich, but no. If I've irked a particularly inflamed nerve, I apologize... not my intention at all. And no, I didn't not say anything about mixing species. Just mixing morphs of species. goki21 asked what type of frog. I've seen some nice vivs with different types of phyllobates and they look real nice.

I hope you don't get too upset with me posting things that cross your perfect way of keeping frogs and maybe if members are not flamed too much they too can enjoy a vivarium with several healthy frogs with different patterns and colors.

Best.

Yes,... Troll. And apology accepted 'Quaz'.
I hope you don't get upset when I point out that you didn't not [sic] bring up a topic which is inflammatory, but was not broached until your unsolicited belch.
Nobody is asking about mixing. Everybody else gets it...

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Originally Posted by jellyman

And you may want to reread the title of the post:
"Large Groups-6-9" and he owns an exo terra with a 18"x18" floor plan.

My bad. You are obviously right about the title.