Reputation System

atlfrog · 04-16-2009, 06:02 PM

I was just curious to see what your thoughts are on a Reputation Point system here on your forum. I have seen one on another site,

That would work well here as well. It has a lot good qualities over the bad but it would be useful here. Just thought I mention something of it.

socaled · 04-16-2009, 08:38 PM

yeah it would be good to a point but what about people who just give bad rep for nothing. I know what forum it is Dendroboard. I got bad rep there because I advised someone that 3-5 azureus can be fine in a 40 gallon and with my experience it is then I get hounded by two members saying that it was bad advise. I think a reputation would be great only if the moderaters and the administrators screened the good and bad rep because I can go on that forum right now and for the heck of it give everyone including the administrator a bad rep. Which I don't because if they did really deserve it then they would certainly get it. Funny thing is that the ones that gave me bad rep were newbies not the experienced frogger. Just my 2 cents.

Knoxter · 04-16-2009, 08:44 PM

Hey Merek,

Funny you mention that, I am currently looking into implementing some sort of a rating system that would allow members to showcase their participation in the forum, as well as allow them to express their opinion of each other.

My only concern is that I have witnessed this system being abused also.

I am open to the idea; more to follow.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Marc

atlfrog · 04-16-2009, 10:42 PM

i can't explain all of it because I am not a moderator at this particular forum but there is a system of in place that helps prevent abuse. I can't say that there won't be any, which is when you get a Mod involved and hopefully it will be taken care of there. Trust me, it is well worth it, because will discipline others that will not follow the rules because they care about the site. The draw back is that there are those who are too anal and will give rep points for something as simple as a double post. But in some ways it is a good idea and would help the site stay structured. Problems can be taken care of and investigated by the leaders on this site and choose the fate of others and the rep points. I have seen and watched this happen to me for the last year or so and it seems to work well. Trust me I had a serious problem where my +27 points went to red. I was more than pissed off because it was given to me by a moderator, but the owner saw it took care of it and I haven't had the issue again. Your moderators are the ones who look into this stuff and help control good and bad stuff. I can see your concern but there might come a time when it is needed.

Knoxter · 04-17-2009, 12:31 AM

I am looking for a rep system something like ebay has. I think you should have to comment on all reps. Good or bad. This way you can see if the feedback was reasonable and fair, or meaningless. Even in the case where Ed got bad rep because he advised someone that 3-5 azureus can be fine in a 40 gallon, I think the person that gave him a hard time had a right to express their opinion, but he should have explained why he felt the way he did. I am a firm believer in you can say whatever you want (within reason) as long as you "back it up" with an educated response and not just an opinion. That's healthy discussion.

Marc

atlfrog · 04-17-2009, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knoxter

I am looking for a rep system something like ebay has. I think you should have to comment on all reps. Good or bad. This way you can see if the feedback was reasonable and fair, or meaningless. Even in the case where Ed got bad rep because he advised someone that 3-5 azureus can be fine in a 40 gallon, I think the person that gave him a hard time had a right to express their opinion, but he should have explained why he felt the way he did. I am a firm believer in you can say whatever you want (within reason) as long as you "back it up" with an educated response and not just an opinion. That's healthy discussion.

Marc

Unfortunately I have seen that system before the one I suggested earlier. It was disastrous. People were leaving fake messages and feedback and it was a bigger mess than what it was worth. Someone even tried to pull some sh@t on me and my operation on feeder insects. It was bad. The system I suggested is person to person and anonymous. The higher the rep and more green boxes the better. Bad comments and rep points without explanation is bad in my opinion but it all seen as three colors red, purple, and green. If I get bad rep points than it was for a reason hopefully and if I have a real problem with it I will go to a moderator. There is a least fail safes involved rather than giving complete control to say at will. It will cause my problems than what's needed but I am just one voice and leaders and what you say rules. LOL PS: I need to look at their system a little better to comment more. I have used it but I am too tired to look now.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by socaled

yeah it would be good to a point but what about people who just give bad rep for nothing. I know what forum it is Dendroboard. I got bad rep there because I advised someone that 3-5 azureus can be fine in a 40 gallon and with my experience it is then I get hounded by two members saying that it was bad advise. I think a reputation would be great only if the moderaters and the administrators screened the good and bad rep because I can go on that forum right now and for the heck of it give everyone including the administrator a bad rep. Which I don't because if they did really deserve it then they would certainly get it. Funny thing is that the ones that gave me bad rep were newbies not the experienced frogger. Just my 2 cents.

Now it is unfortunate that you had this happen to you. All I am saying is that maybe there should be mods that look that over and not do anything else unless needed to make sure that isn't an issue. I do not know all the ins and outs of the programming so I couldn't tell you much but I do know that the admin/mods have the power to revoke any issue and restore points or take them away. I love to have that job. People piss me off like that who get power real quick and no real knowledge (I would assume you could put a probation period on that or certain number of posts before they can get green rep points but I don't know.), but there's just not enough people who want to step up to the plate to do this, not enough time in the day for people to monitor tons of posts etc, but if you have two people have the power to look over the system to make sure that they are all valid, then the system I believe can work.

socaled · 04-17-2009, 03:27 AM

Oooh I like this thread it's very promising to many of the member here because some of these members if not all will teach other newbies about PDF's. Thanks for your inputs Knoxter and GAfrogs I do agree that people do have their opinions and all and that some are a little out there but that's okay. I like the ebay idea although i think that a good way to moderate good and bad rep is a moderator buddy system. For example someone advised a newbie that a pair of imi's would breed in a 10 gallon, someone gets all upset and does a backflip and gives the person bad rep for keeping these imis's in a ten gallon. Here's where the moderator buddy system work's. When the person finds out that he got bad rep he obviously does a backflip too then replies to a moderator which will be chosen at random and that moderator will see if it was deserved or not now after the moderatormakes a decision another moderator will become judge. Let's say that both disagree's now Knoxster find out and he does a backflip and he proceeds with the decision. IT's always going to be a 2-1 decision. I was JUST PLAYING ON THE BACKFLIP GUYS... I forgot where I learned this technique of decision but I am very certain that it will work...... Man I should be studying for my Anatomy class.

-Angeles

atlfrog · 04-25-2009, 08:56 PM

Although this rep system is quite different than the system I was talking about I like this better as it will allow people to see everything as long as it is not easily abused.

socaled · 04-25-2009, 10:48 PM

Yep I like this better than the other rep system because you can be bad repped for your own personal experience in which some other would have a cow... This rep system is better because you can actually tell if someone really takes care of their frogs by the health of the animal not the opinions.

-Angeles

atlfrog · 04-25-2009, 11:10 PM

I agree.

04-16-2009, 06:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
atlfrog Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ATL, GA, USA Posts: 396 Real Name: Matthew "Merek" Preferred.	Reputation System I was just curious to see what your thoughts are on a Reputation Point system here on your forum. I have seen one on another site, That would work well here as well. It has a lot good qualities over the bad but it would be useful here. Just thought I mention something of it. __________________ Merek Matthew Cardew :: ATLFROG.com HTTP://www.blogtalkradio.com/reptilian-fish

04-16-2009, 08:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Knoxter Administrator/SiteOwner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 430 Real Name: Marc Knox	Hey Merek, Funny you mention that, I am currently looking into implementing some sort of a rating system that would allow members to showcase their participation in the forum, as well as allow them to express their opinion of each other. My only concern is that I have witnessed this system being abused also. I am open to the idea; more to follow. Thanks for the suggestion. Marc __________________ Marc My frogs- Vanzolini, El Dorado (ong&gold), Cayo de Agua, Almerante, Gold Dust, Yuris, Imis, Inters, Taras, O Lamasi, Iquitos Vents, Varis, SI. I appreciate everyone here. Without you, there would be no DFF. Thank you for your support.

04-16-2009, 10:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
atlfrog Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ATL, GA, USA Posts: 396 Real Name: Matthew "Merek" Preferred.	i can't explain all of it because I am not a moderator at this particular forum but there is a system of in place that helps prevent abuse. I can't say that there won't be any, which is when you get a Mod involved and hopefully it will be taken care of there. Trust me, it is well worth it, because will discipline others that will not follow the rules because they care about the site. The draw back is that there are those who are too anal and will give rep points for something as simple as a double post. But in some ways it is a good idea and would help the site stay structured. Problems can be taken care of and investigated by the leaders on this site and choose the fate of others and the rep points. I have seen and watched this happen to me for the last year or so and it seems to work well. Trust me I had a serious problem where my +27 points went to red. I was more than pissed off because it was given to me by a moderator, but the owner saw it took care of it and I haven't had the issue again. Your moderators are the ones who look into this stuff and help control good and bad stuff. I can see your concern but there might come a time when it is needed. __________________ Merek Matthew Cardew :: ATLFROG.com HTTP://www.blogtalkradio.com/reptilian-fish Last edited by atlfrog; 04-16-2009 at 10:45 PM..

04-17-2009, 12:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
Knoxter Administrator/SiteOwner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 430 Real Name: Marc Knox	I am looking for a rep system something like ebay has. I think you should have to comment on all reps. Good or bad. This way you can see if the feedback was reasonable and fair, or meaningless. Even in the case where Ed got bad rep because he advised someone that 3-5 azureus can be fine in a 40 gallon, I think the person that gave him a hard time had a right to express their opinion, but he should have explained why he felt the way he did. I am a firm believer in you can say whatever you want (within reason) as long as you "back it up" with an educated response and not just an opinion. That's healthy discussion. Marc __________________ Marc My frogs- Vanzolini, El Dorado (ong&gold), Cayo de Agua, Almerante, Gold Dust, Yuris, Imis, Inters, Taras, O Lamasi, Iquitos Vents, Varis, SI. I appreciate everyone here. Without you, there would be no DFF. Thank you for your support.

04-25-2009, 08:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
atlfrog Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ATL, GA, USA Posts: 396 Real Name: Matthew "Merek" Preferred.	Although this rep system is quite different than the system I was talking about I like this better as it will allow people to see everything as long as it is not easily abused. __________________ Merek Matthew Cardew :: ATLFROG.com HTTP://www.blogtalkradio.com/reptilian-fish

04-16-2009, 08:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	yeah it would be good to a point but what about people who just give bad rep for nothing. I know what forum it is Dendroboard. I got bad rep there because I advised someone that 3-5 azureus can be fine in a 40 gallon and with my experience it is then I get hounded by two members saying that it was bad advise. I think a reputation would be great only if the moderaters and the administrators screened the good and bad rep because I can go on that forum right now and for the heck of it give everyone including the administrator a bad rep. Which I don't because if they did really deserve it then they would certainly get it. Funny thing is that the ones that gave me bad rep were newbies not the experienced frogger. Just my 2 cents.

04-17-2009, 03:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	Oooh I like this thread it's very promising to many of the member here because some of these members if not all will teach other newbies about PDF's. Thanks for your inputs Knoxter and GAfrogs I do agree that people do have their opinions and all and that some are a little out there but that's okay. I like the ebay idea although i think that a good way to moderate good and bad rep is a moderator buddy system. For example someone advised a newbie that a pair of imi's would breed in a 10 gallon, someone gets all upset and does a backflip and gives the person bad rep for keeping these imis's in a ten gallon. Here's where the moderator buddy system work's. When the person finds out that he got bad rep he obviously does a backflip too then replies to a moderator which will be chosen at random and that moderator will see if it was deserved or not now after the moderatormakes a decision another moderator will become judge. Let's say that both disagree's now Knoxster find out and he does a backflip and he proceeds with the decision. IT's always going to be a 2-1 decision. I was JUST PLAYING ON THE BACKFLIP GUYS... I forgot where I learned this technique of decision but I am very certain that it will work...... Man I should be studying for my Anatomy class. -Angeles

04-25-2009, 10:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	Yep I like this better than the other rep system because you can be bad repped for your own personal experience in which some other would have a cow... This rep system is better because you can actually tell if someone really takes care of their frogs by the health of the animal not the opinions. -Angeles

04-25-2009, 11:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
atlfrog Site Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: ATL, GA, USA Posts: 396 Real Name: Matthew "Merek" Preferred.	I agree. __________________ Merek Matthew Cardew :: ATLFROG.com HTTP://www.blogtalkradio.com/reptilian-fish

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