Organic Fertilizers - Page 2

atlfrog · 04-25-2009, 10:37 PM

I greatly apologize for the off topic run off. It was still on que, but it ended badly. I do apologize.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chue

Seems like the topic got off track!

I think that the organic fertilizer that you are talking about GA, is safe for plants that you might put into a viv, but I would not put the actual fertilizer into the viv considering that no one seems to know the impact on the frogs. I know exactly which fertilizer you are talking about...I use it on my organic herb garden!

As for new hobbyists.... I think that if they have some great topic or information to give to the hobby, by all means please share!!! However, claiming that you are experienced when you are not is not a very good way to get your foot on the ground. Especially if you are trying to start a business. I believe that trust and good business should compliment each other.

C

I do agree with this as well. It is a great product. Like I mentioned the said it was safe but don't want to take responsibility if it did something out of the ordinary. I don't blame. everyone sues now-a-days, including me for slander or for copyright infringement. LOL Chemical fertilizers are quite dangerous for humans to have in their hands sometimes, why would I put that with my frogs, but I know some people don't know any better. I was just curious to see if people have come up with anything or if they were using any products. It is amazing what the product does and the concept behind it is awesome as well.

socaled · 04-25-2009, 10:43 PM

Not to step on any toes but I think Both members Socalsam and GA frogs should just get along. I think that arguements is a healthy thing in that both of you members are passionate if not dedicated to this field. Although, I don't think that just because a person does not have the same amount of time in a particular field that one should judge a person's knowledge.... Given the the fact that GA you do have time over many people but that doesn't mean to destroy ones rep.... I've been doing this field since 1999 but you know I didn't have any frogs till 2001 when I went to college as a Biology major and studied animal behavior and their habitats. Does this mean that I've been doing it for only 8 years No 2 years was spent researching so 10 years is my experience on the matter. That's why it's sad that forum's like this because an arena of arguement. Hope you members can just realize that people have different experience in this hobby and others that get into this field look forward to getting help from us. Hope things go well....

And Marc I hope there's no more unnecessary bashing on this site it's to new.

-Angeles

atlfrog · 04-25-2009, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socaled

Not to step on any toes but I think Both members Socalsam and GA frogs should just get along. I think that arguements is a healthy thing in that both of you members are passionate if not dedicated to this field. Although, I don't think that just because a person does not have the same amount of time in a particular field that one should judge a person's knowledge.... Given the the fact that GA you do have time over many people but that doesn't mean to destroy ones rep.... I've been doing this field since 1999 but you know I didn't have any frogs till 2001 when I went to college as a Biology major and studied animal behavior and their habitats. Does this mean that I've been doing it for only 8 years No 2 years was spent researching so 10 years is my experience on the matter. That's why it's sad that forum's like this because an arena of arguement. Hope you members can just realize that people have different experience in this hobby and others that get into this field look forward to getting help from us. Hope things go well....

And Marc I hope there's no more unnecessary bashing on this site it's to new.

-Angeles

SoCalEd: It has nothing to do with time. It does have everything to do with experience. Why pretend to be anything other than yourself. Who cares if you are a beginner. I was one, you were one, and so were many others. There's nothing wrong with it. What bothers me is that if I pretend to be something that I am not i am hurting the hobby and other businesses. They should be called out on it. If I said I was a conservationist, scientist working in FL as a researcher and you found out that I was someone else, I bet if this forum had thousand of members I be hurt by it. I have seen it with a kid, who said he was a cancer patient and people sent him tons of stuff to find out that he was a 14 year old or so kid. Now this isn't the same but it is a misrepresentation of who he really is. It's like a vendor at a Reptile Show who is selling animals with "outward healthy" animals. I understand both sides. But the truth hurts. Shape up or ship out. It will eventually hurt this forum and people who have dealt with him will not join and spread word that this site is bad. I am sorry I don't want to see that. Tell everyone the truth and apologize to Marc and we are all good. There's no bashing and it doesn't need to go from there and it should be not aloud, but this is not bashing. It's telling the truth on a very iffy matter. Redemption is all that is needed and people can live to give second chances...

chue · 04-25-2009, 11:03 PM

Hey Angeles-

I don't think that was 'bashing' at all. I just think there is confusion amongst boards about that. I have gone back and reread the threads on the different forums. We all understand that experience is gained. Research is good, nothing wrong with it. The problem is that those links demonstrate someone brand new to the hobby. No experience. Asking many questions (which is quite important, I think that's a good thing). BUT GA was expressing how contradicting he seems to make his posts on the different forums. Why not just explain that you are new to the hobby, but from the research that you have seen you think ___insert info here___. There is no rep being destroyed unless he is truly claiming someone who he is not. Different experiences in the hobby are welcomed. We all learn from them. It seems that SoCalSam didn't have any experience or knowlege with the organic mix that GA was originally posting about, however he gave a direct response to the post in which GA seemed that he was stepping on his toes.

Socalsam · 04-25-2009, 11:14 PM

I wasn't trying to step on your toes GA I was just posting my opinions. I am sorry if you took it that way.I didn't mean it like that at all.

socaled · 04-25-2009, 11:39 PM

Look I know sam personally and the guy is like a book of knowledge with this field. If he doesn't know something he will tell me because he's not just going to guess. i do understand both sides and I commend Ga for apologizing but Chue you have only 2 post and already backing up somebody which is fine. I've spoken to Sam and I told him to just tell the truth and he is.. I have seen the other post in the other forums and said he clarified it with everybody. I want to add that with time experience is to be had... So time does play a role although I do agree that experience is a very important. Again this is a subject of opinions, I do believe that one can get more experience than another person just by studying the matter at hand more. Not to boast but i've studied ecology of different rainforest which include my home-land Philippines and you know with my biology background I'm still learning because everyday is different. Sam has done his research and that's why he share's his knowledge. Like you said GA time is not the factor but experience he may even know more than me even if he has only done it for 4 years and counting. Actually Sam is experience with that sort of thing and it's funny that you missed it. He's just stating that the rainforest doesn't need fertilizers to suffice it but the animals and plant that die give enough back to the earth. He's not trying to step on anyone's toes but it sure did seem that you put him on blast because I was suprised that you mentioned that he was a begginer and communicating with him on this subject it doesn't seem that way immensely.... I'm just saying that it's not ok to even put someone out there even if one thinks it's the truth. I would just leave this at that and make ammends or it will sadly never end....

-Angeles

atlfrog · 04-25-2009, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socalsam

I wasn't trying to step on your toes GA I was just posting my opinions. I am sorry if you took it that way.I didn't mean it like that at all.

You still haven't addressed the issues, just PM'ing Marc on the issue. That's fine. You need to apologize to Marc for lieing to him as well as everyone else publicly but that is your choice. I am not too sure who SoCalEd is either, your brother maybe or a friend you made who lives real close. I pay attention to various posts. But it's all good, and I know how this game works as well but I will let it go. I have all the emails and PMs from various people about you and the truth. I guess my post earlier just shows what I am talking about. I love the computer Era. Thanks to all the rest of the folks out there, but if you think I am an @ss, get to know me before you judge because I can help a lot of people and I am not normally like this. Thanks again.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Knoxter

With that being said....

I have sent both of you, GAfrogs and Socalsam, pm's outlining my perspective on how this thread has gone off track and could have been handled differently.

While I understand that many of us are passionate about the hobby and that sometimes a healthy debate can turn into a heated argument, it is my responsibility to maintain an NON-HOSTILE environment for these discussions to take place.

It is my position, and the position of the site, that everyone be allowed to share Facts or Opinions about anyone or anything as long as you support your information.

Marc

Although I was a bit hostile, and it was my fault that I retaliated to a hostel comment towards me. I apologized and I said that earlier. I have posted my facts and links, and I can back up anything I say with hard facts and evidence in regards to amphibian care and issues. The other issues well I have done the same. I missed your post Marc as I was working on my response. The issues are outside of the Organic thread and they will obvious will never be resolved, but at least everyone knows the truth. But I publicly apologize to you, Marc.

Knoxter · 04-25-2009, 11:55 PM

With that being said....

I have sent both of you, GAfrogs and Socalsam, pm's outlining my perspective on how this thread has gone off track and could have been handled differently.

While I understand that many of us are passionate about the hobby and that sometimes a healthy debate can turn into a heated argument, it is my responsibility to maintain an NON-HOSTILE environment for these discussions to take place.

It is my position, and the position of the site, that everyone be allowed to share Facts or Opinions about anyone or anything as long as you support your information. However, challenging someones integrity may be considered a personal attack, and should not be taken lightly.

By the mere nature of the beast, often times, the exact meaning of someones intended post can be "lost in the text". So, I encourage everyone to make every effort to be as clear as possible when they post to prevent any misunderstandings.

Marc

NOW, back to the topic.....should we explore using all natural organic fertilizers in our naturalistic vivariums with our dart frogs?

jpg · 05-04-2009, 02:11 PM

Back to the topic at hand .

Ive used dyna grow fertilizer for a long time in both my gecko vivs and frogs viv's . Even when first constructing the substrate for my vivariums I soak the coir bricks in a gallon solution of water and 1/2teaspoon of dyna grow . I also keep a gallon of this mix and water my substrate in all the vivs lightly once a month . Some of my plants grow so fast I prune once a week .

Im no expert , but thats my acctual personal experience and methods that work great for me .

Besides BJ says its safe for use with frogs and look at there wonderful stuff

hahahaha .

Socalsam · 05-05-2009, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpg

Back to the topic at hand .

Ive used dyna grow fertilizer for a long time in both my gecko vivs and frogs viv's . Even when first constructing the substrate for my vivariums I soak the coir bricks in a gallon solution of water and 1/2teaspoon of dyna grow . I also keep a gallon of this mix and water my substrate in all the vivs lightly once a month . Some of my plants grow so fast I prune once a week .

Im no expert , but thats my acctual personal experience and methods that work great for me .

Besides BJ says its safe for use with frogs and look at there wonderful stuff

hahahaha .

I know of Dyna Grow very well.As far as BJ their plants are not what you pay for, but thats a whole other thread. I will give the Dyna Grow "GROW" Organic fertilizer a try. Just some questions have you used it as a spray solution or just water the plants in the Viv?

04-25-2009, 11:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Socalsam Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Murrieta, Ca Posts: 431 Real Name: Sam Cavoulas	I wasn't trying to step on your toes GA I was just posting my opinions. I am sorry if you took it that way.I didn't mean it like that at all. __________________ A few frogs.

04-25-2009, 11:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
Knoxter Administrator/SiteOwner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 430 Real Name: Marc Knox	With that being said.... I have sent both of you, GAfrogs and Socalsam, pm's outlining my perspective on how this thread has gone off track and could have been handled differently. While I understand that many of us are passionate about the hobby and that sometimes a healthy debate can turn into a heated argument, it is my responsibility to maintain an NON-HOSTILE environment for these discussions to take place. It is my position, and the position of the site, that everyone be allowed to share Facts or Opinions about anyone or anything as long as you support your information. However, challenging someones integrity may be considered a personal attack, and should not be taken lightly. By the mere nature of the beast, often times, the exact meaning of someones intended post can be "lost in the text". So, I encourage everyone to make every effort to be as clear as possible when they post to prevent any misunderstandings. Marc NOW, back to the topic.....should we explore using all natural organic fertilizers in our naturalistic vivariums with our dart frogs? __________________ Marc My frogs- Vanzolini, El Dorado (ong&gold), Cayo de Agua, Almerante, Gold Dust, Yuris, Imis, Inters, Taras, O Lamasi, Iquitos Vents, Varis, SI. I appreciate everyone here. Without you, there would be no DFF. Thank you for your support.

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04-25-2009, 10:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	Not to step on any toes but I think Both members Socalsam and GA frogs should just get along. I think that arguements is a healthy thing in that both of you members are passionate if not dedicated to this field. Although, I don't think that just because a person does not have the same amount of time in a particular field that one should judge a person's knowledge.... Given the the fact that GA you do have time over many people but that doesn't mean to destroy ones rep.... I've been doing this field since 1999 but you know I didn't have any frogs till 2001 when I went to college as a Biology major and studied animal behavior and their habitats. Does this mean that I've been doing it for only 8 years No 2 years was spent researching so 10 years is my experience on the matter. That's why it's sad that forum's like this because an arena of arguement. Hope you members can just realize that people have different experience in this hobby and others that get into this field look forward to getting help from us. Hope things go well.... And Marc I hope there's no more unnecessary bashing on this site it's to new. -Angeles

04-25-2009, 11:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
chue Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4	Hey Angeles- I don't think that was 'bashing' at all. I just think there is confusion amongst boards about that. I have gone back and reread the threads on the different forums. We all understand that experience is gained. Research is good, nothing wrong with it. The problem is that those links demonstrate someone brand new to the hobby. No experience. Asking many questions (which is quite important, I think that's a good thing). BUT GA was expressing how contradicting he seems to make his posts on the different forums. Why not just explain that you are new to the hobby, but from the research that you have seen you think ___insert info here___. There is no rep being destroyed unless he is truly claiming someone who he is not. Different experiences in the hobby are welcomed. We all learn from them. It seems that SoCalSam didn't have any experience or knowlege with the organic mix that GA was originally posting about, however he gave a direct response to the post in which GA seemed that he was stepping on his toes.

04-25-2009, 11:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
socaled Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 350	Look I know sam personally and the guy is like a book of knowledge with this field. If he doesn't know something he will tell me because he's not just going to guess. i do understand both sides and I commend Ga for apologizing but Chue you have only 2 post and already backing up somebody which is fine. I've spoken to Sam and I told him to just tell the truth and he is.. I have seen the other post in the other forums and said he clarified it with everybody. I want to add that with time experience is to be had... So time does play a role although I do agree that experience is a very important. Again this is a subject of opinions, I do believe that one can get more experience than another person just by studying the matter at hand more. Not to boast but i've studied ecology of different rainforest which include my home-land Philippines and you know with my biology background I'm still learning because everyday is different. Sam has done his research and that's why he share's his knowledge. Like you said GA time is not the factor but experience he may even know more than me even if he has only done it for 4 years and counting. Actually Sam is experience with that sort of thing and it's funny that you missed it. He's just stating that the rainforest doesn't need fertilizers to suffice it but the animals and plant that die give enough back to the earth. He's not trying to step on anyone's toes but it sure did seem that you put him on blast because I was suprised that you mentioned that he was a begginer and communicating with him on this subject it doesn't seem that way immensely.... I'm just saying that it's not ok to even put someone out there even if one thinks it's the truth. I would just leave this at that and make ammends or it will sadly never end.... -Angeles

05-04-2009, 02:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
jpg Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Webster MA. Posts: 92	Back to the topic at hand . Ive used dyna grow fertilizer for a long time in both my gecko vivs and frogs viv's . Even when first constructing the substrate for my vivariums I soak the coir bricks in a gallon solution of water and 1/2teaspoon of dyna grow . I also keep a gallon of this mix and water my substrate in all the vivs lightly once a month . Some of my plants grow so fast I prune once a week . Im no expert , but thats my acctual personal experience and methods that work great for me . Besides BJ says its safe for use with frogs and look at there wonderful stuff hahahaha .